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Author Topic: Excaliber Paddle ... Any info?  (Read 5721 times)
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« on: September 01, 2007, 10:48:00 AM »

I'm looking to purchase a new paddle for Dragon Boating and I came across ...

http://www.merlingear.com/excalibur.html

I know Rightarm has recommended : ZRE (Zaveral Racing Equipment), but this paddle looks and sounds even better (damn I'm a sucker for easy marketing schemes!)   

Does anyone have this paddle?  What is the feedback on it?   

I got this from the website ... sounds good but I don't want to waste my money if it's junk:

At the top level the difference between winning and losing is very small. Up until now the only way to measure a paddler’s power has been off the boat in unrealistic “erg” trials.

The Excalibur Paddle is about to change the way Dragon Boaters are coached. This modified Merlin CD2 paddle has a built in stain sensor and data acquisition module that can record up to 80 minutes of paddling, however the paddle is only a marginal amount heavier than the CD2.

The paddle outputs force histograms for every stroke which show the paddler exactly how much power they are transmitting to the water Able to record up to 80 minutes of paddling it is also possible to analyze variations in stroke over time to see if the paddler is fading or losing technique.

Extremely sensitive it takes 100 measurements a second

Battery operated in the field the Excalibur connects to your PC
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« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2007, 11:22:19 AM »

This sounds too cool---I love the tech. side to this and would like to hear if anyone has tried one
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« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2007, 05:47:08 PM »

they're from australia... hopefully they'll have a rep at the worlds this month and one of our national team members can get a chance to check one out and give us some feedback.

btw: just to be clear, i definitely love ZRE, but i'll whole heartedly recommend Burnwater or Apex or whatever anyday IF its the paddle that feels right to the individual. 
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 09:29:30 PM »

I have a Merlin CD2.  It was a good deal (great price for full carbon), but it's not the highest quality paddle.  They're made in Malaysia and they don't give the greatest attention to detail. 

This Excalibur looks WAY too gimmicky to me.
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« Reply #4 on: September 01, 2007, 09:38:21 PM »

I have a Merlin CD2.  It was a good deal (great price for full carbon), but it's not the highest quality paddle.  They're made in Malaysia and they don't give the greatest attention to detail. 

This Excalibur looks WAY too gimmicky to me.

That's what I'm worried about!  Although it would be cool to have a paddle named "Excalibur"!  Right now I call my current paddle "Anchor"   Sad
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« Reply #5 on: September 01, 2007, 09:41:33 PM »

to find out how much power i'm applying, i get in an outrigger, pull out my gps, and see how far i go and how long it takes me to get there.  i take a look at top speed, and average speed.  I also race head-to-head with others and use that as a measure.   not nearly as scientific and fancy, but all i really care about is that the boat is going fast, and making sure i'm using proper technique to do so.  I like to think i've developed a feel for the water over the years...  knowing how much power to apply before i'm ripping throug the water by feel, not by downloading information from a paddle.  
i'd say i'm "fast enough" as-is, but there is always room for improvement and to be even faster, and there are still a ton of people out there faster than me, so i guess not.  Laughing  maybe if i finally put on some muscle, i'd be able to go faster?  Laughing
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« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2007, 07:51:51 AM »

I'm looking to purchase a new paddle for Dragon Boating and I came across ...

http://www.merlingear.com/excalibur.html



Hmm, does not say it it is to IDBF spec and if it does not have the "stamp" of approval you won't be able to use this in any festival (maybe the Tiawanese where rules are lax).  I saw a Merlin made paddle in Victoria (it was being raffled off by a team) it was quite heavy for a CF, I did not buy a ticket cause of the weight issue (almost weighs as much as a wood paddle), stick with a known approved paddle would be my suggestion.
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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2007, 08:46:39 AM »

unless you're in a race-off or similar competition, idbf-spec would be a non-issue. 
There are no paddle inspections at Vancouver, Kelowna etc...  If a nutcrack out there goes around using telescopes to spy on people's gear and files protests after the race, than perhaps.

There is a wealth of information regarding power meters in professional cycling, in fact it's surpassed the venerable heart rate monitor.  Having said that, every pro racer has both hooked up for every training session and race.


Heiko Salzwedal, who coached the Australian men's road team for many years before moving on to the British track team among other things, says the power meter has made a dramatic impact visible in the progression of world records in time trial events, many of which we saw broken at the recent Olympic games. "You can exactly calculate how many Watts you must produce to reach a certain time," he said. "Say in the 4000m team pursuit, you can set the training goals accordingly."


With all the uses power meters can be put to and despite his enthusiasm on the subject, Martin does realize that the power meters to not perform magic. "An SRM doesn't make you faster," he laughs. "In fact if you put one on your bike it probably makes you slower. It is not the tool that makes you great. It's your ability to hone in on the information for your needs and troubleshoot. It probably won't make you any better than you are anyway"

Source: http://www.cyclingnews.com/fitness/?id=2004/power1

This is innovative, and it will take some time for the public to learn the product to really gauge it's effectiveness

I have questions on whether or not there is a direct correlation between the power readings and corresponding hullspeeds.  My initial thought is there may not be a linear connection.

Have a read here about how cycling meters work, and than ask yourself what is it exactly you're doing with the paddle to make the boat go faster, decide for yourself
http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/pm_review.htm

If the paddle does work, these may find a niche as a training tool.  One example would be finding any weak spots through one's stroke.  This would perhaps be as useful to recreational/beginning paddlers as it would be useless to a very experienced paddler.
A coach could overlay data and spot any deficiencies within the group.  Again, assuming the data has that magic connection to boat speed.

for concrete gains regarding these paddles, I strongly believe one would require professional and external coaching to run and design the training program, if they work. 

otherwise, there is a wealth of options and training tools already available that should be fully exploited first (training methods, thought processes etc).  For myself, I'd rate the power meter paddle as a bottom of the barrel option.

ultimately, it remains to be said that time will tell the real story.  In 5-10 years time, these could revolutionize the sport, or just as easily disappear altogether.  There have been a number of strange, technical, sporting innovations that turned out to have great impact in the end.  HRM's, clap skates, Power Cranks (which had an unanticipated benefit to runners as well as cyclists) etc etc... who knew?





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« Reply #8 on: September 03, 2007, 09:05:17 AM »

^^^^^
what he said.
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« Reply #9 on: September 03, 2007, 10:04:28 AM »

Merlin paddles are IDBF spec 202a (license 3021).  The parent company is Talon Technologies.  As far as weight, the full carbon CD2 is comparable with ZRE and seems lighter than the 2007 all-black Burnwaters.
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